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Reflections 0f Nam..

There is no nice way to fight a war.

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The cost of war is life.

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      The greatest defeat that the United States has suffered in any war was the failure to overcome the attitude of coldness, and indifference, with which Americans shunned most of those returning veterans. Let us never forget the men and women who served our country so valiantly and at such cost-in the difficult, much-repudiated and unforgettable Vietnam War.

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Let us always remember the price

that both sides will pay.

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In The Company of Brothers.

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To the dirt-eating grunt, Vietnam was an endless succession of bummers.

 

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Besides the never-ending fear of death,

we had to endure a host of miseries:

 

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 merciless humps through a sun-scorched landscape packing eighty pregnant pounds, brain-boiling heat, hot house humidity, dehydration, heat exhaustion, sunburn, red dust, torrential rains, boot-sucking mud, blood-sucking leeches, steaming jungles, malaria, dysentery, razor-sharp elephant grass, bush sores, jungle rot, moaning and groaning, meals in green cans, armies of insects, fire ants, poisonous centipedes, mosquitoes, flies, bush snakes, vipers, scorpions, rats, bordedom, incoming fire, body bags, and a thousand more discomforts.

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 Dispite all this the grunt did his job well.

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   173rd_small.gif (10621 bytes)  This distinctive shoulder patch you see worn by the men of the 173rd Asoldier.gif (2106 bytes)Brigade   came into being along with the Paratr00pers in June 1963.

            They are referred to as “Sky Soldiers” a 

distinctive designation.

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awarded by Department of the Amythemana.jpg (3316 bytes) in September 1964.

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" You know you’re at the front when your being shot at

by small arms and RPG's and there are

NO BUNKERS

to seek shelter in!

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You know you’re at the front when you encounter

a superior enemy force and THEY have BUNKERS

and you forgot to bring yours! "

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Pinned Down--An american paratrooper of the 173rd U.S. Airborne Brigade crouches with women and children in a muddy canal as intense Viet Cong sniper fire pins down his unit temporarily near Bao Trai Vietnam.

 

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SPECIAL DELIVERY--Helicopters, supposed to be able to land on a dime, found they couldn't touch down on narrow hilltops in the Central Vietnam coastlands, but that didn't stop them from delivering right on the money. Engineers blasted drop areas clear and the giant Chinook choppers dropped their soldiers of the 5th Battalion 7th Cavalry Regiment to participate in operation Thayer II some 15 miles southwest of Bong Son, which is some 300 miles northwest of Saigon.

 

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Two American Marines battle Communist troops inside the walls of the Citadel at Hue. The former imperial capital was overrun by the enemy, then retaken by Marines during the

Tet offensive of 1968.

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          Paratroopers string machine gun rounds into a bunker next to a burning hut in a Viet Cong base camp in War Zone C. The camp was about 65 miles Northwest of Saigon. The purpose of the operation was to remove and destroy material used by the Viet Cong.

 

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He wasn't much to look at. But the small man in black pajamas, the one they called Vietcong, turned out to be a difficult enemy to subdue.

 

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Americans hastily drag away the body of a comrade killed during a VC attack near Tan Son Nhut Airport on January 31, 1968. The VC made a direct hit on a truckload of MPs, then raked the area with automatic fire as survivors dived for cover.

 

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    War does things to a man.  A wounded buddy and a mad

dash in the open.  Are you crazy?”  Are you scared?”

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    To make his way through impossible places… To search for

something that may or may not be on the other side of the next

tree. Yes…war does things to a man.

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   dmskull.gif (5118 bytes)Tension and toil make small pleasures great ones.  For a man

to carry on…as he always does…the fight must give way to a few

moments of rest and comfort.  That letter from home may not be

much, but it isn’t war.  Where do I go tomorrow? 

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What did I see today?

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    There were so many, many memories. 

Medals, wet water, hot sun, Dead Friends...

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baseball players, elephant grass, rainBeautiful Scenery...   all those things and more:

much, much more.  Remember it all, the good and the bad

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Marble Mountains

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Some past History about these mountains and the military units
that were based around them during the Nam war.

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Mmt3.jpg (8460 bytes) There was a road that ran between Crow's Nest and Marble Mountain, from DaNang through the mountain and about eight miles down to 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regimental Headquarters. 
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The Legend of Marble Mountain

By Gene Csuti

           Marble Mountain was one of four mountains located south of Da Nang that stretched from the coast inland or westward for about three miles. All of the mountains had lots of cave entrances and tunnels. A road ran between Crow's Nest and Marble Mountain, from Da Nang through the mountains and about 8 miles down to 2/1's 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regimental combat base, then hung a left for about five miles to the Tu Cau bridge.

 

 
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     North of the Mountains on the ocean side of the road was a Marine Helicopter base know as MAG 16, also North of the mountains was the 5th USMC Comm. Battalion. South of that was 5th Special Forces Compound

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     On the other side of the road north of the mountains was a POW compound. There was a leprosarium south of the mountains on the coast. The Leprosarium has since been moved to the base of the Hi Van Pass. The village at the base of the mountains was called Nui Kim Son, which translates to "Mountain of Gold". 

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     Most of the villagers were jewelers and worked with the Marble from the mountains.  At the base of Marble Mountain there was a monastery. 

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     The mountain had a huge cave opening and just inside the cave are two huge statues of gods guarding the entrance.  Since 1975 the mountains have become a tourist stop and you can tour any of the caves with children from the village of Nui Kim Son. 

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     Just north of the mountains on the ocean side of the road was a Marine chopper unit and north of that was a Special Forces compound. On the other side of the road, north of the mountains was a POW compound and Adams Base. 2/1 maintained a Grunt company at Tu Cau bridge; a Grunt company at a leprosarium on the coast; a Grunt company at a fire base just west of the mountains, and one Grunt company at the battalion area. So if you were at the fire base near the mountains you manned a check point just south of where the road ran through the mountains.

      We ran patrols around the mountains and through Nui Kim Son. Nui Kim Son, which translates to "Mountain of Gold," was a village at the base of marble mountain; a quiet village and all people there were friendlies. You never got hit in Nui Kim Son. Just about all the villagers were jewelers; they made nice stuff, too. A trail ran out of Nui Kim Son to the north, to the base of Marble Mountain where there was the monastery and a huge cave opening. Just inside the cave entrance was a statue of Buddha, just like in the Indiana Jones movie. 2/1 had just come down to Da Nang from up north and the Marines moving out told this story...

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Mmt11.jpg (7878 bytes) This photo shows a tank guarding the entrance to the base camp for 3rd Amtracks in 1968. The photo is from Fred Wingfield a former member of 3rd Amtracks. 
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Mmt13.jpg (6402 bytes) This photo is of a 106 Recoilless Rifle mounted ontop of what the Marines called Crow's Nest Mountain one of the five mountain of Marble Mountain.  The only access to the gun was by ropes. This photo was taken in 1968 and was manned by Marines.

 

     Never--never--ever go in any of the caves or tunnels in any of the mountains and for sure stay out of the cave by the monastery. Well, Indiana Jones had not been invented yet, but it was made real clear about bobby traps, secret passages, and tons of gold and jewels hidden inside the caves. We were also told that there was a squad of Marines that had gone in there to never return. We figured that we had enough to worry about without playing Indiana Jones and kinda of blew it off as bullshit. But Nui Kim Son, the mountains, the caves, the monastery and statue of Buddha do exist, we have seen them.

    I never thought too much of Nui Kim Son until about a year ago. A good Vietnamese friend of mine here at work named Chanh Tran (he's from Saigon) and I got talking one day and I mentioned I knew of Nui Kim Son and Marble Mountain and such. He got this look on his face and asked me if I ever had heard the legend of Nui Kim Son. I said I had heard some stuff but thought it was bullshit.

       He then told me the Vietnamese version of "Legend of Nui Kim Son." Back in the feudal war lord years, all the war lords stored their gold and jewels inside Marble Mountain. The monks at the monastery guarded the caves, the gold and jewels and passages inside. The villagers of Nui Kim Son made jewelry for the war lords and jewelry for them selves to sell. All the villagers, to ensure security, never married outside the village. Chanh said that over hundreds of years that large amounts of gold and jewelry made its way inside the mountains of Nui Kim Son and no body really knew how much was in there because the monks always hid it and they were the only ones to know their way around inside the mountains.

     Okay, Okay. I thought maybe what I heard 27 years ago was not bullshit, after all. Chanh is from Saigon, not Da Nang; how would he know... unless it is a vietnamese legend passed down... Nah, can't be. Grunt bullshit. Chanh kinda sensed this and asked if I would like to meet and have lunch with a friend of his, a jeweler from Nui Kim Son. He has a jewelry shop here in Denver.

     Whoa. Wait a minute! I could not resist. I met Ho Thang at lunch who thanked me keeping Nui Kim Son safe. He said he was always glad to see the Marine patrols, who he said the patrols kept the NVA and VC away from his village. We parted new friends.

     About two weeks later Chanh gave me a present from Ho Thang, a little gold buddha. Ho's thanks, said Chanh.

       Anyway. Fact, fiction, or myth. All we know is, we have seen Nui Kim Son, the monastery, the statue of Buddha, the Marble Mountains. We have seen Ho Thang and I have my little gold buddha.

 

        That my friends is the legend of Marble Mountain, according to Gene'o, Chanh Tran and Ho Thang.

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History of the Village of Nui Kim Son

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    Back in the feudal war lord years, all the war lords stored their gold and jewels inside Marble Mountain.  The monks at the monastery guarded the caves, gold and jewels as well as guarding all the passages inside the caves. 

    The village of Nui Kim Son made jewelry for the war lords and jewelry to sell.  

 

 

    All the villagers, to insure security, never married outside the village. Over hundreds of years of time it is believed that large amounts of gold and jewelry were hidden inside the mountains of Nui Kim Son

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    No body really knows how much because the monks hid it and they were the only ones to know their way around the insides of the mountains. The photo Above was taken at the inside peak of one of the mountains. You can actually clime out and view the surrounding area from the top of the mountain.

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       The photo Above was taken in 1988 way before any restoration work had begun on repairing the entrance and walkways around the mountain.  This early photo shows the bullet holes in the archway near the main entrance to the mountain. It has since been rebuilt and no signs of war can be seen today.

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    503rd.jpg (947 bytes)The 173rd Airborne Brigade became the first U.S Army Ground combat unit committed to the defense of South Vietnam.

 There, further organizational changes took place.

     Attached to the Brigade in Vietnam were:

the 1st Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, the Prince of Wales Light Horse Troop, a battery of the Royal Australian, Artillery, the 161st Royal New Zealand Artillery Battery, and Company “A” of the 82d Aviation Battalion.

  In addition, the necessary intelligence, transportation, chemical and signal detachments were added to round the Brigade into a full-fledged fighting

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         503rd.jpg (947 bytes)The Brigade and attached units have continually distinguished themselves as fierce fighters on the battlefields of Vietnam, and just as importantly, they have assisted in the extensive civic action programs which have aided the South Vietnamese people to gain a better life and to bolster their confidence for a future of peace and progress. Their assistance programs included medical assistance, support of orphanages, distribution of food and clothing, construction and repair of churches, schools, roads, and even the constructor of wells.

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      503rd.jpg (947 bytes)Another one of the 173rd’s many “firsts

was that it was the first and only airborne

unit to execute a Combat Parachute Jump in

Vietnam.

    This jump was performed on 22 February 1967, by the 2/503d Infantry and Battery A, 3d Battalion, 319th Artillery.

    The 173rd received Battle streamers for their participation in the following campaigns in Vietnam:

      The Defense Campaign, Vietnam Counteroffensive, the Counteroffensive Phase II, Counter offensive Phase III, and TET Counter offensive.

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    The Brigade also proudly displays Streamers signifying the award of the Presidential Unit Citation for action in Dak-To, Republic of Vietnam and the Meritorious Unit Commendation, awarded for action in the Republic of Vietnam from 1965-1969.

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   503rd.jpg (947 bytes)All Infantry battalions of the 173rd Airborne Brigade are elements of the 503d Infantry,

     “The Rock Regiment,” and tracetheir proud history back to one of the original Airborne units.

    The 503d Infantry was activated at Fort Benning, Georgia, on 22 August 1941, as the 503d Parachute Battalion. On 2 March 1942, it became the 503d Parachute Infantry Regiment.

 

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While in Vietnam, the Brigade was commanded by the following Brigadierexplode.gif (4942 bytes) Generals:

 

Ellis W. Williamson     dmskullq.gif (5118 bytes)   May 65 to Feb 66

Paul F. Smith                dmskullq.gif (5118 bytes)   Feb 66 to Dec 66

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Leo H. Schweiter          dmskullq.gif (5118 bytes)   Sept 67 to March 68

Richard J. Allen           dmskullq.gif (5118 bytes)   March 68 to Dec 68

John W. Barnes              dmskullq.gif (5118 bytes)   Dec 68 to Aug 69

H. S. Cunningham            dmskullq.gif (5118 bytes)   Aug 69… 

 

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503rd.jpg (947 bytes)Special teams of paratroopers played an important role in helping the 12 MACV, five-man teams train and equip these forces. Constant patrolling and alert defense of key hamlets denied local and main-force VC units

much of the support they need to continue fighting. 

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Whenever the enemy came out of the junglesand hills to extort money, gather food and recruit people, they met determined resistance from combined Vietnamese and U.S. security forces. 

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Behind this security screen, the people began rebuilding their war-shattered countryside and economy.

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The 1st Batt, 503d Infantry, " My Group, " operated in Hoai An district with headquarters at Landing Zone Orange.

 The 2/503d Infantry operated in Hoai Nhon district with Bong Son as district headquarters, and

the 4th of the 503d went into the newest district, Tam Quan, with the combined headquarters at LZ Tom.

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Regular ARVN troops will be freed from the populated areas to prevent invasion across national boundaries and to search out the VC and NVA in mountain base areas.

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And Every Tiger Gets A Man…

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dmskullq.gif (5118 bytes)Regional and Popular Forces became increasingly proficient at setting out night ambushes and defending the hamlets against VC guerrillas.  At the beginning of Washington-Green, Brigade forces assumed bridge and road security missions, releasing RF-PF for defense of the hamlets.

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General Barnes and his Successor,

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Recognized That success of thepacification mission Required the confidence of the Vietnamese people. To generate confidence, Combined RF-PF, 173rd, or ARVN security Elements Remained in their assigned hamlets Until Pacification goals were achieved. These goals Included effectiveSelf Defense Forces, RF and PF, elected hamlet chiefs living day and night in the hamlets, responsive hamlet government, elimination of VC, resettlement of refugees, attendance in school by children, andinvolvement of residents in self-help projects of their choice. Each hamlet organized a RF platoon...as its primary defense force and a Self Defense Force for intra-hamlet security.

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                   silverstarFam.jpg (3303 bytes)The Department of the Army officially authorized the formation of the 74th Infantry Detachment (LRP) on 20 December 1967 and all personnel of the LRRP platoon were absorbed in to the 74th Infantry Detachment (LRP). The 173rd Airborne Brigade had moved to Dak To in the II Corps area of Vietnam. The 74th Infantry Detachment (LRP) was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation for its actions during the Dak To battles in November 1967, however this was in error as the 74th Infantry Detachment (LRP) did not exist at the time. The award should have been presented to The 173rd Airborne Brigade (LRRP) (Provisional).

       private.gif (7393 bytes)The 74th Infantry (LRP) continued to perform missions as directed by the 173rd commander through out the II Corp region of Vietnam and eventually established a base camp at An Khe. Team leaders and potential team leaders were now able to attend the Recondo school conducted by the Special Forces at Nha Trang on a rotating basis while continuing to be the :

"Eyes and Ears of the Commander".

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          Staff Sergeant Laszlo Rabel, 74th Infantry Detachment (LRP) was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions on 12 November 1968. He was the only LRP member to be awarded the medal during the Vietnam war. Much credit needs to be given to the personnel of the LRRP platoon and the 74th Infantry Detachment (LRP) for establishing the doctrine that would become SOP for Company N (Ranger), 75th Infantry which absorbed the personnel of the 74th Infantry Detachment (LRP) on 1 February 1969.

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One thousand years of Chinese rule did not dim

the Vietnamese vision of freedom and independence.

The sometimes quiet, sometimes violent struggle

against French colonialism lasted more than 70  yrs.

One point has become clear.  The Vietnamese are a

Patient people.  They will eventually overcome their

communist enemies and live in peace and freedom

as they did between the 9th and 19th centuries.

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The faces of northern Binh Dinh Province, the 173rd Airborne Brigade’s area of operation, are smiling, contemplative, patient, disturbed. They re-flect the ethnic and cultural diversity of Vietnam.      

   The people in northern Binh Dinh’s districts of Tam Quan, Hoai Nhon, Hoai An and Phu My earn their living primarily by agriculture, with rice as the  basic crop.                                                                    Land locked Hoai An District is the area’s rice bowl.

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Other trades and industries supplement the agricultural economy.

Shallow water fishing industries and salt fields flourish in the three

coastal districts.  In northern most Tam Quan, recognized by the

Vietnamese government as a separate district only since February

1969, small factories or shops produce cigarettes and coconut fiber

rope.  Hoai Nhon tradesmen manufacture brick and roof tiles, pottery,

charcoal and some coconut fiber rope.  Phu My District has four rice

mills and two ice plants.

    To learn something of the proud people who are the beneficiaries

of their government’s pacification program in northern Binh Dinh,

we turn to the past, looking for the ancient roots that nourished the

growth and development of the people, culture, and economy.

Ancient Vietnam consisted of three geo?graphic areas administered

as separate political units: Tonkin, which included most of present

day North Vietnam; An?nam, the middle that includes Binh Dinh

Province; and Cochin China, the southern third of South Vietnam.

   The ancestors of present Vietnamese seem both physically and

culturally to have been a mixture of Sino-Tibetan and early Indonesian

or Malay types.  Today about 85 percent of the present Vietnamese

population are ethnically Vietnamese.

 

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     The work of the grunt was unnoticed by the average American. But to the men they worked with in the field, the men that shared life and death on a daily basis he was respected...

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        Photograph of John Kerry meeting with Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, in Vietnam. Photo displayed in the War Remnants Museum (formerly the "War Crimes Museum") in Saigon.

The June 2, 2004, edition of "Viet Nam News" is held beside the Kerry photograph to confirm the date the photo was taken.

 

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   miniMarineship.gif (10132 bytes)Subject: POW/MIA Consultations Conclude in Cambodia
United States Department of Defense
News Release
On the web:
http://dod.mil/releases/nr20040802-1078.html

  No.
732-04
Aug 02, 2004
IMMEDIATE RELEASE

POW/MIA Consultations Conclude in Cambodia

ch46ship.gif (3035 bytes)The four nations involved in accounting for Americans missing in action from the Vietnam War closed their meeting Friday in Siem Reap, Cambodia, agreeing to intensify cooperation on losses in border areas.

The 2004 Consultations were hosted by Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for POW/Missing Personnel Affairs Jerry D. Jennings. Senior leaders from the United States, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam gathered to forge a common vision, share experiences and set a course for the future.

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen opened the meeting challenging the conference participants to find new ways to cooperate on the POW/MIA issue “for the sake of humanity.” He said it was “…important to enhance cooperation and integration of efforts between the United States, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia as so many of the missing were lost in border areas.”

Last year’s gathering in Bangkok, was the first time the four nations had come together to hold such a meeting since the end of the war in 1975. The United States also continues to work with each of the countries individually to investigate MIA cases and excavate loss sites in an effort to recover, identify and return to the families in the United States the remains of missing Americans.

Expressing gratitude for the assistance the United States has received from Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam, Jennings said, “Without your cooperation, this mission could not continue. We know that and the families and veterans know that.”

ch53ship.gif (5292 bytes)At the conclusion of the two-day session, the delegates agreed to reactivate senior-level trilateral discussions on cases in the border areas, where the United States will join either Vietnam and Laos, or Vietnam and Cambodia to mount a three-nation, or trilateral, effort for case resolution.

Additionally, the delegates established new mechanisms at the expert level to coordinate efforts on these cases. Special emphasis will be placed on the United States government’s highest priority cases, those involving servicemen last known to be alive (LKA) at the time of their incident of loss.

Resolving the LKA cases and improving trilateral investigations in the border areas are two tasks President Bush has identified as key to success in accounting for missing United States personnel. The multilateral consultations follow recent bilateral breakthroughs that also reflect President Bush’s push for greater cooperation. These include agreements between the United States and Vietnam, and the United States and Laos on initiatives to improve access to each country’s archival holdings, along with renewed access for investigations and recoveries in previously denied areas of the Central Highlands in Vietnam.

Since the end of the war, the United States has accounted for more than 700 Americans from the Vietnam War. More than 1,800 are unaccounted-for from the war. More than 88,000 are still missing from all conflicts.

miniMarineship.gif (10132 bytes)Additional information on POW/MIA accounting may be found on the
DPMO web site at http://www.defenselink.milhttp://www.dtic.mil/dpmo or by calling (703) 699-1169.

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   Although our first few months were spent seeking out and killing of Viet Cong, Our remaining time was of great concern and Pacification to the Republic as a whole.

   Our pacification efforts gave us a sense of serving these people, rather than burning their Villages and blowing up their wellsKilling the animals and confiscation of their food!

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          I can live with the fact that when I left Vietnam after My tour in November of 1969... We were "winning" the War

                      and Not "Turning Away" …from the People in

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